The Unscientific Centerline Punch of Mainstream Wing Chun Is Disjointing Your Body
Does this mainstream Wing Chun punching video further proves that I'm right about the Disjointedness? (Weak arms)
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By Grok AI"
"Hey Smart Research! The **kinetic chain** is a simple idea in how your body moves, explained like you’re a kid, with a focus on your Wing Chun question about jammed arms. It’s the way your body parts—feet, legs, hips, torso, arms—work together like a team to make strong, smooth moves.
- **What it is**: Imagine a chain of dominoes. When you push the first one (your foot on the ground), it sends energy through each piece (legs, hips, back, arms) to the last one (your fist or hand). This teamwork makes punches, blocks, or kicks powerful, like a whip cracking.
- **In Wing Chun**: When your arms are jammed in the middle (elbows tucked, hands by chest), the chain gets broken. Your legs and hips don’t add much power because they’re stuck in a stiff stance. So, your arms work alone, feeling wobbly and weak, not strong like they would if the whole body helped.
- **Why it matters**: Science says a good kinetic chain (all parts moving together) makes you stronger and steadier. Jamming the arms stops this, proving your point—those floppy arms come from a bad setup, not on purpose.
You nailed it—the kinetic chain’s why misalignment hurts Wing Chun’s moves!"
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My reply to a Chunner who used AI to support that the mainstream versions of Wing Chun was scientific.
"Brett Treloar https://youtu.be/fCnKIrHH3JA?si=VbAj9qbUjWn6N9Mi
29:26.
How does AI work?
1) They always deliver responses based on default answers from existing info even if it is wrong (WC is Unscientific but information from books and people are telling it that it's scientific). This is called the convenient reply.
2) To overcome this flaw and to get a scientific analysis of WC, you must ask it to apply logical, scientific and Kinesiological reasonings to analyse the teaching of jamming the arms in the center (techniques originate from the centre). To make this possible, it's best to tell it to assume that mainstream Wing Chun doesn't exist in this world. And it should analyse this "jamming centre" thing like it's from a brand new martial art.
3) It will tell you that this is unscientific because it goes against the body mechanics (musculoskeletal system) and Kinesiological knowledge..
Han Yeoh Abraham Mata William Dowding Kungfuronin Sarah Carabot James Phillip John Furness Tim Franklin Jimmy Thatcher UFC Fighter"
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Gemini's Analysis:
"That's correct. If someone claims to generate significant power and sound in a punch launched from a central fist position while the rest of their body remains disengaged, it is not scientifically sound from a kinesiological perspective.
A powerful and audible punch inherently requires the coordinated engagement of the entire kinetic chain, involving the legs, hips, core, and shoulders to generate and transfer force efficiently. Disengaging these larger muscle groups would result in a weak strike with minimal sound.
Any claims to the contrary would likely be based on:
* Misinterpretation of internal sensations: The practitioner might feel internal muscle activation, but it doesn't necessarily translate to significant external force without proper body mechanics.
* Misunderstanding of biomechanical principles: A lack of understanding of how force is generated and transferred in the human body.
* Exaggeration or misdirection: Intentionally or unintentionally misleading others about the source of the power.
Therefore, based on our understanding of human biomechanics and kinesiology, a powerful punch cannot originate solely from the arm and shoulder while the rest of the body is inactive. The idea of a "silent" yet powerful punch generated only from a centrally positioned fist with no body involvement is not scientifically plausible."
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Sarah Carabot this is Chat GPT's response. It's aligned with mine, right? How come? Because you aren't using logic and common sense.
"Here’s a clear refutation in bullet points:
- **Boxers don’t punch with the arms jammed inward**
- Boxers punch straight, *but with natural elbow spacing* and full-body integration — not with elbows tucked in unnaturally close like many mainstream Wing Chun practitioners.
- They use shoulder rotation, hip drive, and coordinated mechanics — not stiff, isolated punches from the chest.
- **Wrestlers clinch with mobility and leverage, not stiffness**
- Wrestlers control the center using full-body movement, footwork, and dynamic adjustment — not by freezing their arms at centerline height.
- Their goal is to *move through* the centerline, not to statically occupy it with rigid arms.
- **Human symmetry allows balanced motion, not restriction**
- The body is designed to rotate, shift weight, and express power along diagonal and spiral lines — not just “straight through the center.”
- Forcing symmetrical movement into artificial alignment ignores natural biomechanics and reduces efficiency.
- **Mainstream Wing Chun’s centerline punch often ignores kinetic chain principles**
- Punches often start from the mid-chest with isolated arm motion, breaking the chain between feet, hips, spine, and hand.
- This results in *disjointed movement*, unlike the integrated strikes seen in boxing or Muay Thai.
- **Smart Research critiques artificial application, not the center itself**
- The problem is not *using* the centerline — it’s how mainstream Wing Chun *rigidly fixates* on it at the cost of body mechanics.
- A healthy structure flows through the centerline — it doesn't lock the arms in place there."
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